Morning,

I am wondering if there is anyway when doing the 'virtual mating' of 2 dogs, to produce a 'pedigree' of the 2 ??

I really want to see the 2 pedigrees put together without doing it by hand :)

Thanks.

Amy

A few years ago someone was selling a pedigree book that was blank - blank pedigree forms that is. The pages were cut horizontally and one could flip the pages of males and females separately to compare possible combinations. The pedigrees were all handwritten - which was why we all remembered pedigrees so well, nowadays people cannot remember them without looking them up! Anyway, even using a computer one could PRINT the pedigrees and put them in a binder, males at the top and females at the bottom. This might require some resizing of the pages, but 4 generations would be enough as that would give a 5 generation pedigree - and you could flip the pages quicker than accessing multiple virtual pedigrees, and you do not have to be sitting in front of the computer!!!!

Stephanie

Hi Amy,

Have you spotted the 'Virtual Mating' hyperlink?

http://www.ahpedigrees.com/modules/animal/virtual.php

Interestingly, the latest report in the UK seems to be moving us away from any kind of in-breeding, line-breeding, etc. Goodness knows how we will ever see kennel type again if it takes off! But if it does, what value will pedigrees have, apart from helping us not to breed too closely. Crazy!

Best wishes,


John

This is such BS - and this database only goes to prove it!!! Germany outlawed close inbreeding years ago - but German dogs from the old lines prior to this century had higher COIs than anywhere else! Were they unhealthy and infertile?

There are dogs that have been diagnosed with eye problems, hip problems and hereditary hypothyroidism from completely outcrossed pedigrees. So much so that there is NO way to tell which of the grandparents or great grandparents were the carriers of the mutation resulting in the disease. Breeding from ANY dogs in similarly outcrossed pedigrees is a crap shoot! You have NO idea when you are going to get hit! On the other hand there are and have been dogs that are healthy and long lived that have high COIS and come from inbred pedigrees! If inbreeding had been disallowed after WWII there would have been no Chaman, no Bletchingly, no Khorrassan, no Carloway or any of their derivitives.

Yes, people can do nothing, say nothing, and allow the AR inspired screamers to continue to denigrate "pedigree dogs" and you might as well give up.

Stephanie

So true and few seem to realise what is happening. The K.C. have got it wrong again

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Afghan Hounds International

UK Pedigree Administrator

Thanks Stephanie
I noticed draft laws wanting to make it illegal to line breed and wondered why? I read up on it and it says you will double up on inheritable diseases - but what if there aren't any in the lineage ?
And as you say outcrossing is a total gamble.
Thanks
-Amy

First of all the people that draft these laws are the screamers - some have no clue about genetics and just think of it as "disgusting" and others are simply people that believe the party line, whatever it is. Here in the US we do at least have OPPOSING views - there is the Diversity Project that believes in outcrossing (and I think one of the founders had ulterior motives that I will not state in a public forum - no, not AR, personal motives) and people like Dr Jerrold Bell of Tufts University that believe that true diversity is maintained by having different line bred (or inbred) families each of which preserves a different part of the genome and not one group of dogs that all have the genetic potential - with nothing to breed to if a problem emerges!

I do not know much about the prime movers in the UK, I wish someone would research their background in detail tyo see just what they really DO know.

Stephanie

Hi Stephanie,

The good news is that nothing will happen until we get a new Government (after 6th May), but I think we could do with knowing how all of the parties stand on this issue. Although hopefully they will have other, more important, things to deal with or it might even be a 'hung' parliament, which would make decisions on anything quite difficult.

Best wishes,


John

Y'all are hijacking Amy's thread! :)

I too would like to see the ped be generated for Virtual Breedings - I don't want to have to print out (paper, ink, time) or use up the notebook I bought from Stephanie if I don't have to

So, any chance we'll see this as a feature?

:)
Stir

www.mosso.net

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Stir Greer, Mosso Afghan Hounds, www.mosso.net
USA Afghan Administrator

Hi Stir we have no option to show this on the virtual pedigree option but i guess it could be done, but i have been unable to get hold of Alf who helps us with the programming the last few weeks to ask him if its possible and if he could do this for us

Any programmers out there please get in touch if you might be able to help

Pam

PS there is nothing to stop you entering a ficticious dog with the sire and dam you want to see, copy & paste the pedigree BUT please then DELETE your ficticious dog

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Afghan Hounds International