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Stephanie
Posted on: 2009/8/6 16:32
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Affix that was never a kennel - INDEX
I remember when the KC introduced that dumb and ugly sounding INDEX (what lame brain came up with that specific word I wonder???), does anyone have any idea when they dropped it?

For those who do not know what I am referring to, some time in the late 60s the KC decided that dogs registered without a registered affix should be [Name] of Index.

It was around the same time when they changed the rules and the BREEDER had to use their affic as a prefix and those were NOT the breeder had to use it as a suffix - except for breeders who had registered their kennels for life prior to the date of implementation who could ask to be grandfathered in to use their affix/kennel name any way they wanted.

There may have been some conditions that I never paid attention to allowing the registration without using INDEX - maybe someone can check with the KC? I say that because I see puppies were registered as Chikuken [name] and Seekapetra [Name] or maybe they were registered before the new rules came into force. I never checked birth dates in the db - just saw the names.

Stephanie
Anonymous
Posted on: 2009/8/7 10:09
Re: Affix that was never a kennel - INDEX
Hi Stephanie,
I think you could name your puppies any unrelated names, such as Black Bob, Fizzy Flossie, etc., or you could tick a box to let the KC name them for you. This is when you got the appalling Index.
Eve
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Posted on: 2009/8/7 12:40
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Re: Affix that was never a kennel - INDEX
Thanks Eve - useful trivia for people that might be researching a pedigree and wonder why totally unrelated dogs all came from"Index"! Now when I think back - when you used the registration for multiple puppies you chose name for each but if you used the single dog form you were supposed to offer three names. In the US they have allowed names like Cleopatra XVI but the KC could just go ahead and pick a name. So Flossy Flugelbucket would probably get her name but Cleopatra would end up as Cleo of Index, or worse.

Another bit of Trivia for those who do not know old doggie history that has nothing to do with Afghan Hounds:

SEEKAPETRA was the affix used by the man who ran a wholesale puppy broker business by the name of SEEKAPET. His office was in London - Kensington I think. He bought in puppies of all breeds in litter lots that were shipped by train to London and these were resold also by the litter. A FEW were sold in the UK, but the majority were shipped overseas to pet stores such as Docktor's Pet stores in the USA. He may have bought single puppies in a few breeds as well (eg some of the Afghan Hounds) for special order buyers in London, but people didnt talk about his retail business, if he had one. It was the buying and selling of litter lots that was the hot controversy, and anyone selling to him was on the dog community's s**t list!

Stephanie
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Posted on: 2009/8/7 14:25
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Re: Affix that was never a kennel - INDEX
Any information on Chikuken - Tokyo Chikukong Co Ltd (Japan)
looks like he/they could have been a puppy broker?
Pam


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Posted on: 2009/8/7 14:26
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Re: Affix that was never a kennel - INDEX
There was also Jamboree - Mrs M Pianta (UK)


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Stephanie
Posted on: 2009/8/7 14:37
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Re: Affix that was never a kennel - INDEX
Oh yes, Tokyo Chikuken was a mass importer of puppies for sale in Japan. There were a few independent buyers from Hong Kong and Japan who would act as intermediaries because Ebnglish speaking people and those who spoke nothing but Chinese or Japanese, but these people did not buy litter lots, they had very specific requirements and dogs did go to the people that wanted to import them. One that I sent out was Jap.Ch. Chandhara Nisim's Bindusara. I never had contact with his owners but many years later an English speaking Japanese breeder/judge told me that he had been very influential in the establishment of the breed in Japan.

Tokyo Chikuken on the other hand just bought job lots of required breeds and it was a VERY got topic at the time. If you contact Dpg World and Our Dogs they may be able to let you have a look at their archives. The Seekapet guy was the main broker in the UK and most of his puppies came from puppy farms in south Wales. They were shipped up to Paddington Station in chicken crates! There was one breeder of Afghan Hounds and Poodles in the south west that was also a supplier - not sure if she supplied Seekapet or sold to Chikuken direct - probably the latter.

A piece of Trivia - I never forget receiving a letter in the mail from a person in Wales, badly written in a cheap envelope, wanting to know if I had a bitch to sell on breeding terms - but here is the kicker - the request was written on a sheet of old fashioned "hard" TOILET PAPER! Torn off the roll .....

Stephanie
Stephanie
Posted on: 2009/8/7 14:42
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Re: Affix that was never a kennel - INDEX
Who was she? Never heard of her!
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Posted on: 2009/8/7 14:44
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http://www.ahpedigrees.com/modules/animal/owner.php?ownid=22597

A lot of pups were transferred into her name before export overseas although she did breed some litters


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Stephanie
Posted on: 2009/8/7 15:13
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Re: Affix that was never a kennel - INDEX
That was after I left the UK.

How was she able to rip off kennel names/affixes??

Ajman???? Rifka????? Amazuri was a near miss

Stephanie
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